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April 23, 2002
BASEBALL: On Track For 300

Originally posted on Projo.com

I was having this discussion with a few different people in recent weeks, and so even though I'm sure I've seen it written up in one form or another in a few other places, I thought I'd pull together this chart and run it here - it's truly astounding, when you consider the growing consensus that the 300 game winner may be nearly extinct. Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine both turned 35 last year. Do they have a shot at 300 wins? How do they stack up against past 300 game winners? Well, check out the standings against all the other pitchers to win 300 whose careers started since 1920, plus active candidate Roger Clemens, at the same age (wins after 35 are in parentheses):

Greg Maddux 257 (2) (thru Monday)
Steve Carlton 249 (80)
Tom Seaver 245 (66)
Roger Clemens 233 (49) (thru Monday)
Don Sutton 230 (94)
Tom Glavine 224 (3) (thru Monday)
Lefty Grove 223 (77)
Nolan Ryan 205 (119)
Warren Spahn 203 (160)
Early Wynn 201 (99)
Gaylord Perry 198 (116)
Phil Niekro 131 (187)

That's right - Maddux is ahead of ALL the others at the same age. Every single 300 game winner of the past 80 years. This is an extraordinary group; you can say all you like about how exceptional they each were, but the fact that Maddux stands ahead of every one of them puts him in a fine position, and the fact that Glavine is right in the thick of things means you can't write him off either, although I'm deeply skeptical about whether Glavine can continue as an elite pitcher (his early 2002 returns say he can, but it's early). Sutton is probably the most positive model for Maddux, since he was a similar (albeit lesser) type of pitcher, and he finished his career not with a powerful late-30s surge but just with a long series of 15-11 seasons.

Now, that's no guarantee of anything: Bob Feller has 262 at the same age even despite having missed three and a half seasons to war; Jim Palmer had 248, Fergie Jenkins had 247, Robin Roberts had 244. None of them made it; they were all great pitchers, and none of them was quite done at 35, although all had shown many more signs of decline than Maddux. Jim Kaat, a pitcher of Glavine's type, had 238 wins through age 36 after consecutive 20-win seasons, and his 12-14 record the following year was the last time he cracked double figures in wins. Jenkins and Palmer were both coming off a similar hot-and-cold streak to where Glavine stands now. Maddux still has to win 41 more games after age 35, Glavine 73, and the sledding only gets rougher from here. At the end of the day, the real lesson here is that in modern baseball there's no easy way to 300 wins -- you can only get there by staying in shape and effective to 40 and most likely beyond.

(If you're wondering, Mike Mussina can catch Glavine's pace with 60 wins in the next 3 years, which is possible but a very tall order, while Pedro's 132 wins entering this season put him 8 ahead of Glavine at the same age but 18 behind Maddux and 20 behind the Rocket. Also, Niekro is the only 300-game winner with fewer than 231 wins through age 37 -- he had just 163 -- so Randy Johnson, with 200 wins through 37, will have to blaze some fairly untrodden ground to get to 300. Throwing 100+ mph at his age, of course, puts him in a class of two, but even if he matches Ryan's win total from here out he will come up 7 wins short).

If we go back to pitchers who started their careers between 1890 and 1920, we get a more mixed bag:

Christy Mathewson 373 (0)
Kid Nichols 361 (0)
Walter Johnson 354 (63)
Cy Young 351 (160)
Grover Alexander 266 (107)
Eddie Plank 224 (102)

Still, that puts Maddux almost even with Grover Alexander, as well as 54 wins ahead of Warren Spahn - and both of those guys finished closer to 400 wins than 300. We won't go back further, since most pitchers in the 1880s didn't win much of anything past 30 - while Phil Niekro was 48 when he won his last game in the majors, three of the first five 300-game winners were dead by that age (Old Hoss Radbourn died at 42, Pud Galvin at 45, John Clarkson at 47).

What started me looking at this issue, actually, was Jose Rijo. Rijo is one of the endless parade of pitchers we've seen in recent decades who had Hall of Fame talent -- or at least a shot at a Hall of Fame win total -- but couldn't stay healthy. And now, after he'd already been on the Hall of Fame ballot, he's back and getting another chance to start. Rijo had 97 career wins through age 28 (assuming all reported ages are correct), and a great ERA. Was that the start of a potential Hall of Fame career? Here's another (somewhat arbitrary) chart, comparing Rijo, some active pitchers and a few other recent flameouts to a battery of Hall of Famers through age 28; the non-Hall of Famers are marked with an asterisk:


Dwight Gooden 154*
Vida Blue 142*
Dizzy Dean 141
Milt Pappas 138*
Dave McNally 135*
Roger Clemens 134*
Ken Holtzman 133*
Greg Maddux 131*
F. Valenzuela 128*
G. Alexander 127
Rube Waddell 126
Pedro 125*
Larry Dierker 124*
Sam McDowell 122*
D. Eckersley 120*
B. Saberhagen 113*
Frank Tanana 113*
Sandy Koufax 112
Tom Glavine 111*
Gary Nolan 106*
Nolan Ryan 105
Rube Marquard 105
Mussina 105*
Frank Viola 105*
Ted Lyons 104
Dave Steib 102*
Bill Gullickson 101*
Andy Pettitte 100*
Jose Rijo 97*
Burleigh Grimes 96
A. Messersmith 93*
Brad Radke 93*

Whitey Ford 91
Red Ruffing 88
Eddie Plank 86
JR Richard 79*
Herb Pennock 76
Eppa Rixey 76
Early Wynn 72
Bob Gibson 71
Jim Bunning 70
Jack Chesbro 70
Lefty Grove 67
Red Faber 67
Warren Spahn 65
Gaylord Perry 60
Carl Hubbell 59
Stan Coveleski 58
Bob Lemon 57
3 Finger Brown 42
Jesse Haines 42
Joe McGinnity 28
Phil Niekro 18
Dazzy Vance 0

Gee, you'd almost think winning a lot of games by age 28 is bad for your career - and maybe it is, given how much better the bottom group performed after 28. Of course, this isn't a scientific survey, just the flavor of how little a pitcher's early success can tell us for certain about his staying power. One encouraging sign: even with 6 years of arm injuries, Rijo still entered this season with the same career win total as Dazzy Vance at the same age. But Vance, who won his first game at 31, won 22 games at age 36. Better get busy, Jose.


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ANSWER TO THE LAST COLUMN'S TRIVIA QUIZ: The five men who played for Pete Rose in Cincinnati and later went on to manage in the big leagues are Buddy Bell, Tony Perez, Lloyd McClendon, Terry Francona and Tom Runnells. And the group could get bigger; ex-Rose players who may yet manage include Ron Oester, Ken Griffey Sr., Lenny Harris and Joe Oliver.

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