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September 7, 2005
BASEBALL: Blamen Looper

Well, it's too soon to give up hope for 2005 (and at this writing it's still too soon to abandon hope for tonight's game), let alone a full accounting of the goats in the event that the Mets fail to make the postseason. But I can say this: Braden Looper is very high on my list.

UPDATE: Can the same pitcher be charged with two blown saves in the same game?

UPDATE: !#^$#^ Looper. I can't really blame Takatsu, who came into an impossible situation (bases loaded, nobody out), and nearly got out of it, although it would have been nice if he'd put the game away once he got the first two outs.

Posted by Baseball Crank at 9:46 PM | Baseball 2005 | Comments (8) | TrackBack (0)

Facetious I know but, you can't get two blown saves in a game HOWEVER.... and this really irks me since Ugeth Urbina pitches for my team - How in the hell does a pitcher get creditied with EARNING a win when he comes in in the Eigth or ninth, blows the lead and has the offense bail him out of the loss in the next half-inning? UU has stolen a pair of wins from starters this year and screwed up countelss other games - the onlt thing that bothers me more is when pitchers get bailed out of earned runs by their own committed errors. If a pitcher boots a grounder or overthrows a base its HIS FAULT. Why don't those runs count against HIS ERA?!?!?!?

Ugh, I rant. apologies.

Posted by: bensdad00 at September 8, 2005 12:21 AM

"Well, it's too soon to give up hope for 2005"

It is?

You really are a fan.

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at September 8, 2005 9:31 AM

I wrote that before the game ended; I'm not sure I have much hope left now. But in some ways, it's almost too late in the season to give up.

Posted by: The Crank at September 8, 2005 11:05 AM

Can the same pitcher be charged with two blown saves in the same game?
I wondered the same thing on my blog after the Cardinals' Jason Isringhausen turned the unfortunate trick last weekend. I need to find a good "blown saves" database...

In both Looper's and Izzy's cases, though, I blame the manager more than the pitcher. Players fail sometimes -- it's up to the manager to recognize the times when players "have it" or don't -- bringing a pitcher out for even the possibility of a second "blown save" is the manager's fault.

Posted by: Pip at September 8, 2005 2:19 PM

In response to the Ugi situation of blowing saves and picking up wins I asked a question a long time ago and I don't know that anyone responded: I remember as a kid some pitcher for the Sox coming into a game with a 3-4 run lead, blowing it all, falling behind, only to have the Sox re-take the lead in the bottom of the next inning putting him in line for the win. He was not credited with the win as the scorer has the option to credit another pitcher with the win in a situation where the "winning" pitcher has not pitched well enough to merit the win. Has anyone else experienced this, heard of it, seen it implemented in recent times? There are a host of relievers that get wins they sorely do not deserve.

Posted by: jim at September 8, 2005 6:39 PM

Yes Jerry Koosman got a win in 1972 vs the cards when Tug McGraw gave up the lead in the 8th, the Mets re took the lead in the 9th and koosman shutout the Cards in the 9th- Kooz rec'd the win instead of Tug-i double checked on Retrosheet

Posted by: Luis at September 9, 2005 8:49 AM

You are correct on the official csorers option, but seeing as how the scorers make just a bit less then the players and serve the team not the league, how many of them will ever invoke their option, essentially flashing bright neon lights in the boxscore saying "THIS RELIEVER SUCKS"?

Posted by: bensdad00 at September 9, 2005 2:30 PM

Any way to check on the last time this happened? I know the Sox incident I referred to happened in the 80s against the Tigers (might have even been 1986, not that I am especially fond of recalling the overall events from that particular year).

Posted by: jim at September 9, 2005 2:52 PM
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