I didn't know Borough Presidents still had enough clout to be worth bribing.

Remind me again why Ted Stevens was prosecuted? Is there any relevant difference (other than the party)?

Ted Stevens wasn't appointed to the executive branch, he was elected to the legislative branch by the voters. Other than that, Carrion and Stevens deserve the same fate, and I don't think anyone, including Crank, would argue that fact. That doesn't detract from anything Crank said in his post.

Labor unions and big city political machines are the two most corrupt institutions in this country. By far. And they are the heart and soul of what political party?

Hello. I, uh, I wanted to uh respond to your question that, uh, you know that my administration and my past were marked with uh, how did you put it, uh you know, corrupt characters. I, uh, am sorry, I, uh, didn't understand that your question was, you know, uh, serious.

Weell, uh, while these, uh, news reports out of, you know, uh, the Bronx, and uh, now I hear that the FBI has arrested uh some people at the uh, what do they call it, the Office of the Technological Chief, or something, uh, yes, they are quite worrisome, but, uh, you have to realize, I, uh have, you know, what's the word, oh yes, "Inherited" this culture of corruption, and I, uh, am going to, uh, have to work, to uh, clean that up. I will, uh, get around to that, after I, uh, work on earmarks. Yes, uh, but back to your question, uh, it wasn't me, uh, who cultivated the, uh, culture of corruption in Washington.

As has been posted here, we didn't know squat about Obamanation except he was a product of Chicago racial/political machine politics, which was our first and biggest warning sign---but the press just adored him. So what do you expect from Carrion another example of the New York racial/political machine? In addition the "Select Staff" of Obamanation ask the question: Where did they come from?

When will these people learn to condone torture and spy on American citizens? Don't they know that's what they need to do to be considered "serious' politicians? Talk about "slow learners".

stan,
Nice hyperbole about corrupt institutions, but have you heard of a place called Wall Street?
Every bedrock institution in the country is corrupt. Hopefully the Dow at 2000 will clue the rest of the citizens to the facts.

Juding from some of your other posts Berto, I take it that you are for the expansion of government. Well, is any bedrock institution more corrupt than government?

per 14,
I don't know if I'm for expansion of government, but I would like to see it defend the little guy from the powerful.

I agree that government surely has been corrupted, but I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Business' job is to make money (by hook or by crook). A real government would protect the citizens from out of control business. Regulating financial institutions, keeping business from polluting air, water, and food that the citizens must breathe, drink, and eat, etc.
Government has surely been corrupted, but ask yourself who corrupted it.

It sounds like you think Madoff is less of a crook than the Bush administration (as one example of government). Is this correct?

One more: Do you think the Justice Department (i.e. government) is so corrupt you don't want them to enforce contracts?

I was being a little tongue in cheek.

I don't think government is utterly corrupt. And I don't necessarily think it is the most corrupt institution in our country. But it seems to me a lot of people who think that also think government power should be expanded. That seems really ironic to me, and I was trying to point out that irony.

But government is corrupt because it is comprised of people, who are inherently and unalterably corrupt. I'm not anti-government, I just want government to be as limited as possible.

To answer your questions, I don't think Bush is more corrup than Madoff. And I do want government to enforce contracts and protect against fraud and nefarious conduct. But I don't want the government to protect people from making bad decisions. (For example, I can't support, at least philosophically, the idea that the government should force lenders to modify their contracts with delinquent homeowners.)

I see. When called out on what you write, you'll go with the "I was just kidding" defense made famous by Coulter and Limbaugh.
BTW, I agree with your reply at 1:23 PM.
People are inherently and unalterably corrupt. That's why we need regulation of business and transparency in government.

Oh my heavens -- cash and Carrion.

many of you seem to think that corporations cheat and this is a big problem. corporations are things and things can't cheat. corporations are run by managers on behalf of stockholders who are entirely passive. when managers cheat they cheat the stockholders. when governments punish for this cheating, they punish stockholders. this is not the best way to encourage stockholding.
and what do you expect from someone named carrion?

The role of government in the case of Bernie Madoff is to enforce the law. When someone like Madoff runs a Ponzi scheme the law must be enforced. If this is seen as simply protection of the 'little guy' this isn't entirely true.

Furthermore, most of the corrupt folks on Wall Street are sending lots of cash to the folks on capital hill. Some figures on Wall street are joined at the hip to the corrupt pols in congress and even *gasp* the fellow in the white house.

But he's black! We elected the first BLACK president. We're awesome! Yaahhh!!!!

What? Corruption? But.....but....we elected the first black president....

daniel,
The problem you mention was started by a monumentally bad Supreme Court decision, which gave those "things" (corporations) the rights of humans. Alas, we can't put those "things" in prison.

People used to say that the typical low class accent in the NY Metro area was a unique "Brooklyn" accent. Not so. Nevertheless, people from outside the area assumed that those speaking that way came from Brooklyn, whereas they may've come from, say, the Bronx. The patois was ubiquitous.

In an analogous vein, people say that Chicago politicians are unique. Mr. Carrion shows that they are ubiquitous.

Ellen: good one. It will soon be ubiquitous!

Berto: We can't seem to put ubiquitous crooked politicians like Dodd, Walters, or Frank in prison or do anything to stop them either.

The list of crooked politicians does not belong exclusively to either party or, as Crank would have you believe, the Obama Administration.

Bernie Kerik anyone? No? How about John Rowland or Ted Stevens?