Hall of Fame 2012: My Ballot

The results of the BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot will be announced this afternoon at 2, and expectations are that Barry Larkin will be the sole candidate elected. There being no pitchers on this year’s ballot worth discussing that I haven’t beaten to death in years past (short summary: no on Jack Morris, no on Lee Smith), let us a take a look at the non-pitchers.
I’ve already laid out my case for Tim Raines by comparing him to the other tablesetters in my December 2007 Hardball Times column here and for Barry Larkin and against Alan Trammell in my January 2007 THT column on the middle infielders here. I touched on Javy Lopez, new to this year’s ballot, in my January 2009 column on the catchers. In my first column in the series, in January 2006, I discussed the case for Fred McGriff and sort of for Bernie Williams, and against Tim Salmon, Dale Murphy, and Don Mattingly. To complete the picture you can check out my April 2010 column on the third basemen, which endorses the Veterans Committee’s latest selection, Ron Santo.
Utiliizing the same methodology from those columns – that is, excerpting the “prime” seasons for each hitter and translating them into a common offensive context (you can get the details explained in the THT columns), let’s put the whole lot of them in a chart with a number of of the other sluggers of the past 30 years (I included some but not all of the tablesetters, third basemen, middle infielders and catchers for additional context). They are sorted by the “Rate” metric (using the context-adjusted numbers, I multiplied SLG * OBP * Plate Appearances per 162 scheduled games) – obviously you then have to modify that with the things not included in the Rate (baserunning, double plays, fielding, and team/postseason successes) as well as bear in mind how many seasons each player is rated on and how many other more modestly productive years he had. It’s a rough metric, but the basic concept of rating Hall of Famers mainly on their prime years is one I feel strongly about.

Player Yrs Oth Ages PA Avg SLG OBP SB CS DP Rate Ballot
Frank Thomas 10 2 23-32 684 0.314 0.573 0.423 3 2 17 165.7 Not Yet
Jeff Bagwell 13 0 23-35 685 0.294 0.541 0.396 16 6 16 146.8 YES
Wade Boggs 9 3 25-33 705 0.338 0.481 0.425 2 3 16 144.1 IN
Don Mattingly 6 1 23-28 684 0.329 0.550 0.372 1 1 15 140.2 YES
Albert Belle 9 0 24-32 674 0.293 0.573 0.362 10 4 20 140.1 Off
Edgar Martinez 9 4 32-40 618 0.313 0.537 0.422 3 2 13 139.9 YES
Jim Thome 10 4 24-33 631 0.277 0.556 0.397 1 1 8 139.3 Not Yet
Todd Helton 9 1 25-33 673 0.303 0.525 0.391 4 2 13 138.2 Not Yet
Manny Ramirez 14 2 23-36 621 0.302 0.566 0.392 2 2 16 137.8 Not Yet
Jason Giambi 9 2 27-35 613 0.287 0.540 0.415 1 1 11 137.5 Not Yet
Gary Sheffield 10 3 27-36 632 0.298 0.537 0.404 12 5 12 137.2 Not Yet
Rafael Palmeiro 12 2 26-37 698 0.283 0.532 0.363 6 2 12 134.9 YES
Fred McGriff 9 3 24-32 658 0.283 0.544 0.375 6 3 15 134.1 YES
Sammy Sosa 10 1 25-34 670 0.282 0.570 0.351 14 6 13 134.0 Not Yet
Ken Griffey jr 11 2 20-30 643 0.290 0.567 0.366 15 5 11 133.7 Not Yet
Dale Murphy 8 0 24-31 681 0.276 0.535 0.361 17 6 12 131.7 YES
Eddie Murray 14 1 21-34 671 0.296 0.519 0.374 6 2 15 130.0 IN
Mark McGwire 13 0 23-35 549 0.266 0.601 0.389 1 1 11 128.3 YES
Chipper Jones 13 3 24-36 621 0.303 0.529 0.390 10 3 15 128.1 Not Yet
Mike Piazza 10 4 24-33 590 0.319 0.572 0.379 2 2 18 127.9 Not Yet
Criag Biggio 9 4 25-33 720 0.299 0.459 0.385 34 10 6 127.3 Not Yet
Jim Edmonds 6 4 30-35 590 0.285 0.557 0.387 6 4 7 127.0 Not Yet
Bernie Williams 9 1 25-33 649 0.309 0.504 0.388 13 7 15 126.8 YES
Dwight Evans 10 5 28-37 659 0.274 0.505 0.377 4 2 13 125.4 Off
John Olerud 10 3 24-33 650 0.301 0.475 0.399 1 1 17 123.2 Off
Keith Hernandez 11 1 23-33 666 0.301 0.473 0.388 9 5 12 122.5 Off
Paul Molitor 10 7 30-39 667 0.316 0.484 0.379 26 6 12 122.3 IN
Kirby Puckett 10 0 25-34 678 0.317 0.506 0.356 10 6 18 122.2 IN
Rickey Henderson 14 7 21-34 621 0.296 0.476 0.413 78 17 8 122.0 IN
Jim Rice 12 0 22-33 665 0.294 0.530 0.345 5 3 23 121.4 IN
Robin Yount 10 0 24-33 658 0.306 0.507 0.364 15 4 12 121.4 IN
Tim Raines 9 6 21-29 645 0.304 0.481 0.389 67 10 8 120.9 YES
Bobby Bonilla 10 1 25-34 651 0.285 0.514 0.359 3 4 13 120.2 Off
Will Clark 12 2 23-34 606 0.302 0.510 0.377 5 3 7 116.6 Off
Tony Gwynn 14 2 24-37 624 0.342 0.480 0.389 22 8 16 116.2 IN
Darryl Strawberry 9 0 21-29 571 0.267 0.554 0.360 22 9 6 114.0 Off
Mark Grace 11 3 25-35 667 0.303 0.450 0.373 6 4 15 112.0 Off
Tim Salmon 11 0 24-34 614 0.276 0.489 0.372 4 4 8 111.7 YES
Al Oliver 11 2 25-35 626 0.312 0.503 0.348 6 5 15 109.8 Off
Juan Gonzalez 11 0 21-31 586 0.290 0.559 0.333 2 2 15 109.0 YES
Larry Walker 13 0 24-36 541 0.294 0.535 0.369 16 5 10 106.9 YES
Jack Clark 14 0 22-35 534 0.271 0.522 0.383 4 4 12 106.7 Off
Andre Dawson 11 4 25-35 607 0.285 0.530 0.330 20 6 12 106.2 IN
Dave Parker 12 2 24-35 595 0.295 0.518 0.342 12 8 12 105.3 Off
Jorge Posada 8 3 28-35 574 0.275 0.474 0.377 2 2 15 102.5 Not Yet
Barry Larkin 9 4 27-35 567 0.295 0.473 0.377 28 5 11 101.3 YES
Alan Trammell 11 1 22-32 613 0.292 0.451 0.358 17 8 9 99.1 YES
Javy Lopez 10 1 24-33 472 0.282 0.483 0.326 1 2 14 74.3 YES

For most of these guys, picking the prime years is easy – in a few cases, like Palmeiro, Manny, and Sheffield, you could debate going a year or two more or less, but it doesn’t affect the analysis much. But a couple of the candidates can be sliced in different ways. Raines and McGriff both had the same career pattern: a slightly shorter 8-9 year peak of superstardom, followed by a long tail of being a good but not great everyday player, followed in Raines’ case by a 3-year coda with the Yankees as a successful and productive platoon/role player on a championship team. This has the unfortunate effect, especially since both players’ latter years were much higher-scoring, of people forgetting how dominant they were at their peaks. Bagwell’s career path is a better version of the same, with his best 8-year stretch being out of this world. Then there’s Edgar, who was an absolute offensive monster for 7 years; the two years after that were good enough that I included them above, while the prior 5 included some great work (his 1991 batting title) but also a lot of time lost to injury. I include 3 different cuts on Edgar so you can judge for yourself.

Player Yrs Oth Ages PA Avg SLG OBP SB CS DP Rate Ballot
Jeff Bagwell 8 5 26-35 695 0.297 0.567 0.409 19 7 15 161.1 YES
Edgar Martinez 7 6 32-38 650 0.318 0.550 0.426 3 2 14 152.2 YES
Fred McGriff 7 2 24-30 650 0.286 0.567 0.385 6 3 13 141.8 YES
Edgar Martinez 14 0 27-40 578 0.311 0.523 0.412 3 2 13 124.4 YES
Fred McGriff 15 0 24-38 644 0.281 0.511 0.367 5 2 15 120.8 YES
Tim Raines 15 0 21-35 631 0.296 0.456 0.382 54 10 8 109.9 YES
Fred McGriff 8 7 31-38 640 0.277 0.468 0.352 3 2 16 105.4 YES
Tim Raines 9 9 30-38 507 0.285 0.416 0.370 25 6 7 78.0 YES

My short answer is that of the 14 or 15 serious candidates (I say 14, discounting Tim Salmon), there are 2 no-brainers: Jeff Bagwell and Tim Raines. I realize Raines doesn’t stick out as well on this chart as when you compare him to the other tablesetters, but when you roll in his very high-value base thievery, few GIDP and longetivity, I think he clears the bar easily. There’s one more to me who is a fairly easy call: Fred McGriff. As I’ve said before, among the shortstops I go with Larkin and not Trammell, and among the pre-1994 sluggers I find Mattingly’s and Murphy’s prime years too short, and Dave Parker’s numbers weighed down by the big performance-detracting drug phase in the middle of his prime (Edited: I forgot that Parker’s off the ballot now). Javy Lopez had a season or two of genuine Hall-worthy production, but he doesn’t make the cut; Jorge Posada, who retired this weekend, should but that’s another year’s debate.
Then you get to the PED-era sluggers. Realistically, there’s actually not a huge gulf between a number of the guys on this ballot who make it, and those who don’t. Some just were healthier, more durable, in circumstances more suited to their talents than others. And that’s precisely why the PEDs are such a big issue.
A brief digression, since the issue is unavoidable. I’m sort of in the middle on a lot of steroids debates. I reject the simplistic argument that steroids are of no help to performance in baseball. I find something suspicious in, especially, the unique aging pattern of Barry Bonds, and there is no question that Mark McGwire in particular used PEDs to help him get healthy again in the second half of his career. And while I understand why people expect more of baseball players, I accept the argument that there’s never been a true age of innocence in Major League Baseball. And I’m sick of the agendas on all sides of the debate. In the end, for a variety of reasons, I say we ignore PEDs, put in the guys who got the job done on the field, and let the arguments follow.
Setting that aside, I start with Palmeiro, who was a paragon of consistent productivity for 12-13 years. To me, the fact that his teams could bank on his performance is a huge factor.
At the other end you have Juan Gonzalez and Larry Walker, Gonzalez with Hall of Fame power, Walker with a more complete package of skills. But you see them even below the less glamorous Tim Salmon on the chart because neither had the in-season durability over their primes. So, an easy no on Gonzalez, Walker and Salmon.
That brings us to the three hard cases: McGwire, Edgar and Bernie. I do think setting them next to the other sluggers of that era is helpful – whether we know it or not, we’re already setting the stage for what we will do when Thomas, Thome, Helton, Manny, Giambi, Sheffield, Sosa, Griffey and Edmonds get on the ballot. Poor Albert Belle already got stampeded off the ballot, despite the fact that his offensive prime tops any of those guys but Thomas and Bagwell by this measurement.
Bernie, like Griffey, gets a leg up for being a center fielder (a good one, albeit with a bad arm), and of course for being one of the core players on a legitimate dynasty. I’m inclined to vote yes on Bernie, even though that means a very crowded list of Yankees from that era (Jeter and Rivera will go in, Torre probably will, Raines, Posada and Mussina should, Sheffield should, Clemens and A-Rod will unless the writers are really ridiculous about PEDs, and that’s before you get to Giambi and Pettitte, to say nothing of the not-so-far-off-the-pace guys like O’Neill, Ventura, Strawberry, Knoblauch, Gooden, Cone and Justice). But really all that is on 9 years’ worth of prime production, not an especially long stretch for a guy who was never dominant.
I’m really conflicted on all three. McGwire strikes me as a Hall of Famer due to his amazing power numbers and great OBPs over a 13 year span, and gets some credit for playing for a team that won 3 straight pennants and a championship. But his injuries put him at the back of this pack, although by this measure he still stands ahead of Edgar over their 13/14 year primes.
Edgar is also a very tough call. Elite, Hall-quality hitter, no doubt. But even aside from the negatives we incorporate here (high-scoring offensive context, durability issues), Edgar has everything else going against him: zero defensive value, slow baserunner, played for teams that consistently underacheived despite an amazing talent core, a career mark of .156/.239/.234 in three ALCS (compared, to be fair, to .375/.481/.781 in four ALDS). I certainly would not be offended at including a guy of Edgar’s elite status as a hitter, but the case for him seems much weaker to me than it seems to a lot of sabermetrically-inclined folks who tend to total up his career numbers and ignore the injury-driven holes in his playing time.
The thing that struck me the most is that when you set aside their mystiques and the offsetting virtues of Edgar’s high batting averages vs Big Mac’s homers, what you see is that their cases are quite similar. That doesn’t mean you can’t reach opposite conclusions based on the factors at the margins, as I do with Larkin and Trammell, but it does suggest that just writing one of the two in and the other one out should not be done without a thorough analysis. If forced to vote, I’d pull the lever today for Bernie and McGwire but not Edgar, but I could easily be persuaded to the contrary for any of the three. That leaves us:
YES
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Fred McGriff
Rafael Palmeiro
Barry Larkin
Mark McGwire
Bernie Williams*
NO
Edgar Martinez
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
Jack Morris
Lee Smith
Don Mattingly
Dale Murphy
Juan Gonzalez
Tim Salmon*
Javy Lopez*
* – First time candidates. Also no on the rest of the first timers, of which the best is probably Ruben Sierra.
Finally, for what it’s worth, below the fold is another quick set of metrics on the career numbers.


B/O is a basic bases/outs (including SB, CS & GIDP). Adj B/O is B/O divided by park-adjusted league OPS (bear in mind this is not high science here). B/O+ is (bases * plate appearances)/(outs * park-adjusted league OPS). The latter metric favors the guys like Palmeiro, Raines, McGriff and Bagwell who had long, consistent careers. At the end I tacked on their raw, career percentages and Runs/RBI totals.

Player PA OPS+ Bases Out B/O LgOPS AdjB/O B/O+ BA OBP SLG R RBI
Rafael Palmeiro 12046 132 6925 7724 0.90 758 1.18 14.25 0.288 0.371 0.515 1663 1835
Tim Raines 10359 123 5951 6555 0.91 729 1.25 12.90 0.294 0.385 0.425 1571 980
Jeff Bagwell 9431 149 5944 5782 1.03 760 1.35 12.76 0.297 0.408 0.540 1517 1529
Fred McGriff 10174 134 5874 6531 0.90 753 1.19 12.15 0.284 0.377 0.509 1349 1550
Edgar Martinez 8672 147 5139 5186 0.99 757 1.31 11.35 0.312 0.418 0.515 1219 1261
Mark McGwire 7660 162 5043 4716 1.07 741 1.44 11.05 0.263 0.394 0.588 1167 1414
Dave Parker 10184 121 5298 6968 0.76 727 1.05 10.65 0.290 0.339 0.471 1272 1493
Larry Walker 8030 140 5185 4976 1.04 798 1.31 10.49 0.313 0.400 0.565 1355 1311
Bernie Williams 9053 125 5011 5919 0.85 765 1.11 10.02 0.297 0.381 0.477 1366 1257
Barry Larkin 9057 116 4900 5852 0.84 757 1.11 10.02 0.295 0.371 0.444 1329 960
Dale Murphy 9040 121 4908 6126 0.80 732 1.09 9.89 0.265 0.346 0.469 1197 1266
Alan Trammell 9375 110 4565 6188 0.74 732 1.01 9.45 0.285 0.352 0.415 1231 1003
Don Mattingly 7721 127 3924 5050 0.78 729 1.07 8.23 0.307 0.358 0.471 1007 1099
Juan Gonzalez 7155 132 4221 4823 0.88 767 1.14 8.16 0.295 0.343 0.561 1061 1404

10 thoughts on “Hall of Fame 2012: My Ballot”

  1. I guess I don’t understand, McGwire still is not getting his due, but Bagwell does. Both are kind of in the same category. McGwire may have juiced, but he did it before the rules were changed. Bagwell may have juiced, but he never got caught. McGwire should be in that HOF, maybe Bagwell too. It is kind of like Alice Cooper finally getting into the Rock and Roll HOF, it had become illigitimate without him. Same is becoming true with the BBHOF. It will be interesting to see the ballots next years with Bonds, Clemons and Sosa eligible.

  2. I’m with the majority of the former players — PEDs constituted cheating and should per se disqualify anyone (as gambling did for Pete Rose). Direct evidencs, as in the cases of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, makes for an easy case. The tougher ones are the circumstantial cases, such as Bagwell and, perhaps, Piazza. For this, I’d be inclined to vote them in and, if solid evidence of PED usage comes out, provide for immediate rejection from the Hall.

  3. I agree that steroids shouldn’t automatically exclude anyone from the Hall of Fame, but Rafiel Palmiero should be excluded. When he was 30, he had only 155 home runs, and his career high was 39. Then, he went exceeded his carrer high at ages 33 (43 HRs), 34 (47 HRs), 36 (47 HRs), and 37 (43 HRs). His Baseball Reference Comparables go from Darin Erstad (age 26), Al Oliver (age 27), John Olerud (ages 28 and 29), and Will Clark (ages 30 & 31), to Orlando Cepeda (ages 34 & 35) and Eddie Murray (ages 37-40), and ends up with the highest similarity over his career to Frank Robinson. So, after age 30, Palmiero somehow elevated himself into a Hall of Fame Player? He Will Clark on steroids, and doesn’t deserve to be there.

  4. I’m curious why a player like Dale Murphy doesn’t get more credit for being the best player in the game in his prime. It’s the hall of fame. Being the best should count for more, even over a shorter career, than being pretty good over a longer career.
    Has anyone ever designed a metric awarding sigmas for each season? How many std deviations over the median does each player earn over a career? Where being the very best player in year X might be worth more sigmas than being pretty good for 4 years.

  5. I don’t know how many STD deviations professional athletes earn over a career but from the company Alex Rodriguez keeps he probably has at least 2. Thank you, the veal is delicious. Tip your waitress.

  6. Although the writers generally do a much better job than the Veteran’s Committee, this time around, the Vets did get it right, because Santo was long overdo. Now I don’t have an issue with Larkin (except when he vetoed a trade to the Mets, which would have really put them over the top); he meets my own criteria: Be the best in your league in your position for 5 years, and be among the best 2 for another 5 (which is why I wouldn’t vote for Mattingly). But where I can’t quite figure it out is Albert Belle. I’m not going say he’s a HOFer, but to be knocked off the ballot when you consider his dominance, which far exceeded Mattingly (but of course was the most hated player by almost everyone since Hornsby), it’s taking it too personally. The guy was an all time great hitter (and an all time great asshole, I won’t defend him).
    Frank Thomas is a gimme; Piazza has only the slightest of steroid taint, and with the 9/11 aura, will make it. I think the writers will make sure Griffey goes in before Bonds. I said for the last few years that Mariano might actually be the first unanimous selection. Now I think it might be Griffey, because he was Bonds’ biggest rival during their real primes; Griffey could be tough but was generally popular with the press; Bonds was miserable as we know. Griffey is clean regarding PEDs, and Bonds, well….. So I honestly can see a unanimous Junior (who is every inch an immortal anyway, and he gets to be talked about with the DiMaggios and Speakers anyway) as another way for the writers to say, “Screw you Barry.”

  7. There will be some NW folks who covered baseball and/or the Mariners that have votes that won’t vote for him the 1st time. The Kid was a great public persona but behind the scenes he wasn’t the easiest guy in the world to deal with. Someone(s) will leave him off because of that.

  8. I know Jim, which was what made me wonder about Mariano. But I think the writers hate of Bonds far exceeds their annoyance at Junior, and yes, it won’t be unanimous, but every now and then, because of Bonds hatred (and I can’t say I blame them) you never know…..

  9. I don’t see it with Junior. There’s also probably some scribe in Cinci that he wasn’t great to who thinks Junior broke up a pretty good team, got injured constantly and then got old and never did a thing for the Reds. Not getting that guy’s 1st round vote either.
    Mariano? Whoever doesn’t vote for that guy shouldn’t get a vote.

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