My first thought Bobby Grich was “no way is he a HOF’er”. After reviewing the stats listed, I could be persuaded. Especially with the push for Sweet Lou this year. When you compare the two, there is no comparison.
He also matches up well through the ages. Names like Becket, Kent and Alomar have been mentioned as HOF’ers, but after reviewing the numbers, in my view, Bobby Grich is is the top contender for the next secondbaseman to enter the Hall.
And keep in mind that those seasons represent the very end of his peak, and his decline. He was a helluva player for the Orioles, but it’s hard to tell because of the lousy offensive context & the opacity of defensive statistics. Take his Win Shares seasons & stack ’em up against all the best, and I don’t see how you can conclude anything other than that he’s top 15 (counting Biggio, BTW), and certainly higher than Lou Whitaker.
I Love Bobby Grich. I am a lifetime O’s fan and tend to lean toward pushing former O’s into the Hall.
But, when sole searching happens, I need to be honest. He’s no Hall of Famer. Excellent player but not quite at immortality level.
Sometimes when I look at numbers of former second baemen I agree with you. But after looking at the whole picture and the two parks Grich called home. If Grich had four thousand at bats at Wrigley, or played sixteen years today how many more doubles and home runs do we add to the mix. Baltimore fans really saw how great this guy was defensively, out here in Southern California I’m not sure they really know. As hard as it is to get into the HOF, it has always been my argument that if you can find one guy who you were better than you should be in. I have found more than one, starting with Mazeroski. Their is know way that this guy was a better all around player than Bobby Grich. The numbers and over all contributions to your team just don’t lie.
My first thought Bobby Grich was “no way is he a HOF’er”. After reviewing the stats listed, I could be persuaded. Especially with the push for Sweet Lou this year. When you compare the two, there is no comparison.
He also matches up well through the ages. Names like Becket, Kent and Alomar have been mentioned as HOF’ers, but after reviewing the numbers, in my view, Bobby Grich is is the top contender for the next secondbaseman to enter the Hall.
And keep in mind that those seasons represent the very end of his peak, and his decline. He was a helluva player for the Orioles, but it’s hard to tell because of the lousy offensive context & the opacity of defensive statistics. Take his Win Shares seasons & stack ’em up against all the best, and I don’t see how you can conclude anything other than that he’s top 15 (counting Biggio, BTW), and certainly higher than Lou Whitaker.
I Love Bobby Grich. I am a lifetime O’s fan and tend to lean toward pushing former O’s into the Hall.
But, when sole searching happens, I need to be honest. He’s no Hall of Famer. Excellent player but not quite at immortality level.
Sometimes when I look at numbers of former second baemen I agree with you. But after looking at the whole picture and the two parks Grich called home. If Grich had four thousand at bats at Wrigley, or played sixteen years today how many more doubles and home runs do we add to the mix. Baltimore fans really saw how great this guy was defensively, out here in Southern California I’m not sure they really know. As hard as it is to get into the HOF, it has always been my argument that if you can find one guy who you were better than you should be in. I have found more than one, starting with Mazeroski. Their is know way that this guy was a better all around player than Bobby Grich. The numbers and over all contributions to your team just don’t lie.